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		By: James Ryan		</title>
		<link>https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2454</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 04:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am not for one single instant convinced that Otto is going to be wearing that Parker suit for that long, and I can sum it up in one word:  Trademark

The problem is, that super hero characters are more than just fictional creations around which we read their adventures.  They are also hot intellectual properties upon which literally billions of dollars have been generated, a business that&#039;s built on brand recognition.  And part of the billion-dollar-building of said brand recognition is a familiar back story that everyone knows (because it works so well with the crowd at large).

If the folks in charge over there want to keep the property viable and not have to work around all their existing licenses (the film deal with Sony, for example) that would need the consumer to be brought up to speed on the paradigm, they are not going to let Otto keep Pete&#039;s body.  If anything, the harder job is going to be in explaining how they got Otto Octavius a new body in the series, as he much like Parker is also a trademarked property around which all sorts of merchandising is sold...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not for one single instant convinced that Otto is going to be wearing that Parker suit for that long, and I can sum it up in one word:  Trademark</p>
<p>The problem is, that super hero characters are more than just fictional creations around which we read their adventures.  They are also hot intellectual properties upon which literally billions of dollars have been generated, a business that&#8217;s built on brand recognition.  And part of the billion-dollar-building of said brand recognition is a familiar back story that everyone knows (because it works so well with the crowd at large).</p>
<p>If the folks in charge over there want to keep the property viable and not have to work around all their existing licenses (the film deal with Sony, for example) that would need the consumer to be brought up to speed on the paradigm, they are not going to let Otto keep Pete&#8217;s body.  If anything, the harder job is going to be in explaining how they got Otto Octavius a new body in the series, as he much like Parker is also a trademarked property around which all sorts of merchandising is sold&#8230;</p>
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		By: Shawn Gustafson		</title>
		<link>https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2452</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn Gustafson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 05:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2451&quot;&gt;Tony Esteves&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey, everyone, it&#039;s Tony Esteves, creator of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.legendarywoodsman.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Legendary Woodsman&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;!

Your interpretation of the Pete&#039;s no death policy is a lot more generous than mine! Given that Marla Jameson wasn&#039;t someone of great importance to Pete, like say, Gwen Stacy, and that her death wasn&#039;t something that Pete was responsible for, his reaction seemed kind of overwrought.

If Slott &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; trying to make some kind of statement about meaningless deaths in comics, I&#039;d say that his &quot;killing&quot; of Peter Parker makes him a hypocrite. Even if Pete wasn&#039;t technically killed, and the situation is comparatively easy to reverse, it&#039;s not much better than any of the other non-deaths that have plagued comics for the last couple of decades. It&#039;s still being touted as a big deal and used for publicity. (Or, as I said, if this death actually sticks, it&#039;s an unforgivable betrayal of everything that Spider-Man is about.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2451">Tony Esteves</a>.</p>
<p>Hey, everyone, it&#8217;s Tony Esteves, creator of <a href="http://www.legendarywoodsman.com/" ><i>Legendary Woodsman</i></a>!</p>
<p>Your interpretation of the Pete&#8217;s no death policy is a lot more generous than mine! Given that Marla Jameson wasn&#8217;t someone of great importance to Pete, like say, Gwen Stacy, and that her death wasn&#8217;t something that Pete was responsible for, his reaction seemed kind of overwrought.</p>
<p>If Slott <i>was</i> trying to make some kind of statement about meaningless deaths in comics, I&#8217;d say that his &#8220;killing&#8221; of Peter Parker makes him a hypocrite. Even if Pete wasn&#8217;t technically killed, and the situation is comparatively easy to reverse, it&#8217;s not much better than any of the other non-deaths that have plagued comics for the last couple of decades. It&#8217;s still being touted as a big deal and used for publicity. (Or, as I said, if this death actually sticks, it&#8217;s an unforgivable betrayal of everything that Spider-Man is about.)</p>
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		By: Tony Esteves		</title>
		<link>https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2451</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Esteves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding &quot;NO ONE DIES!&quot;
I felt as though Slott was providing meta-commentary on the things that we&#039;re discussing now. Comics have a way of killing characters off to increase hype and sales only to bring them back later and make the death &quot;meaningless.&quot; However, Peter Parker has a number of people tied to his life who have died and not come back [there was a great two-page spread by Marcos Martin, I believe]. Him proclaiming that no one will die on his watch is not to say that his position on saving lives has changed but that we the audience may not take comic book deaths seriously because of too many authors having &quot;cried wolf.&quot;


With Doc Ock taking over Peter&#039;s body, we get to have the death hype without an actual death. Easily reversed without a time machine, clone, deal with the devil, or cosmic ordeal. In the meantime, we get to read some comics with awkward megalomaniacal Spider-Ock pretending to be Peter while Peter attempts to regain control. Sounds good, right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding &#8220;NO ONE DIES!&#8221;<br />
I felt as though Slott was providing meta-commentary on the things that we&#8217;re discussing now. Comics have a way of killing characters off to increase hype and sales only to bring them back later and make the death &#8220;meaningless.&#8221; However, Peter Parker has a number of people tied to his life who have died and not come back [there was a great two-page spread by Marcos Martin, I believe]. Him proclaiming that no one will die on his watch is not to say that his position on saving lives has changed but that we the audience may not take comic book deaths seriously because of too many authors having &#8220;cried wolf.&#8221;</p>
<p>With Doc Ock taking over Peter&#8217;s body, we get to have the death hype without an actual death. Easily reversed without a time machine, clone, deal with the devil, or cosmic ordeal. In the meantime, we get to read some comics with awkward megalomaniacal Spider-Ock pretending to be Peter while Peter attempts to regain control. Sounds good, right?</p>
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		By: Shawn Gustafson		</title>
		<link>https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2450</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2449&quot;&gt;Jim Zoetewey&lt;/a&gt;.

I railed against the death of Peter Parker in the Ultimate universe, thinking that it would be a temporary publicity stunt, so the fact that Miles is still Spider-Man is a pleasant surprise. And from what I&#039;ve read (about six issues), the series does capture the spirit that I expect from a Spider-Man book.


I do expect Pete to return to his body in the regular continuity before too long, both because of the fan backlash to the whole thing, as well as the nature of the mind-swap. Because it was accomplished through some sort of neural override or somesuch, it would be so easy to just have Pete&#039;s consciousness reassert itself in his brain or something. They wouldn&#039;t even have to resort to some far-out resurrection storyline.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2449">Jim Zoetewey</a>.</p>
<p>I railed against the death of Peter Parker in the Ultimate universe, thinking that it would be a temporary publicity stunt, so the fact that Miles is still Spider-Man is a pleasant surprise. And from what I&#8217;ve read (about six issues), the series does capture the spirit that I expect from a Spider-Man book.</p>
<p>I do expect Pete to return to his body in the regular continuity before too long, both because of the fan backlash to the whole thing, as well as the nature of the mind-swap. Because it was accomplished through some sort of neural override or somesuch, it would be so easy to just have Pete&#8217;s consciousness reassert itself in his brain or something. They wouldn&#8217;t even have to resort to some far-out resurrection storyline.</p>
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		By: Jim Zoetewey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Zoetewey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s kind of ironic. I groaned inwardly when I heard that Bendis was killing off Peter Parker in Ultimate Spider-man, but then when I actually read the comic with Miles Morales, I loved it, and have continued to read it.

I&#039;ve always hated these &quot;big death&quot; things and then the ensuing resurrection, but Bendis created a character that felt totally right. Miles continues a lot of what I enjoyed about Peter Parker while being a breath of fresh air at the same time.

I&#039;ve been enjoying it enough that I&#039;d been thinking lately that it might be fun to start picking up titles in the main Marvel universe where Peter&#039;s still alive.

So yeah, about that... 

When I heard about this death, I was amused to realize that this was exactly the kind of thing I&#039;d been afraid Bendis would do, but that he actually avoided.

The funny thing is, I&#039;m still optimistic. I&#039;m betting that this is a relatively short term thing (by comparison to Captain America at least), and that the trade paperback of how Peter Parker comes back from this will be fun to read.

On the off chance that this isn&#039;t the case, well... That would suck.

Whatever happens, I&#039;m unlikely to pick up a main universe Spider-man comic for a while.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s kind of ironic. I groaned inwardly when I heard that Bendis was killing off Peter Parker in Ultimate Spider-man, but then when I actually read the comic with Miles Morales, I loved it, and have continued to read it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always hated these &#8220;big death&#8221; things and then the ensuing resurrection, but Bendis created a character that felt totally right. Miles continues a lot of what I enjoyed about Peter Parker while being a breath of fresh air at the same time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been enjoying it enough that I&#8217;d been thinking lately that it might be fun to start picking up titles in the main Marvel universe where Peter&#8217;s still alive.</p>
<p>So yeah, about that&#8230; </p>
<p>When I heard about this death, I was amused to realize that this was exactly the kind of thing I&#8217;d been afraid Bendis would do, but that he actually avoided.</p>
<p>The funny thing is, I&#8217;m still optimistic. I&#8217;m betting that this is a relatively short term thing (by comparison to Captain America at least), and that the trade paperback of how Peter Parker comes back from this will be fun to read.</p>
<p>On the off chance that this isn&#8217;t the case, well&#8230; That would suck.</p>
<p>Whatever happens, I&#8217;m unlikely to pick up a main universe Spider-man comic for a while.</p>
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		By: Kevin Gentilcore		</title>
		<link>https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2448</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Gentilcore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2446&quot;&gt;Shawn Gustafson&lt;/a&gt;.

It feels gimmicky to me.  Like the 90&#039;s.  It doesn&#039;t bode well for the industry but that is a whole other topic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2446">Shawn Gustafson</a>.</p>
<p>It feels gimmicky to me.  Like the 90&#8217;s.  It doesn&#8217;t bode well for the industry but that is a whole other topic.</p>
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		By: Shawn Gustafson		</title>
		<link>https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2446</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shawn Gustafson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2445&quot;&gt;Kevin Gentilcore&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s a good analogy (carnival barking, I mean)!


Yes, the Marvel NOW initiative strikes me as a direct response to the New 52, but because Marvel doesn&#039;t do big continuity resets the way that DC does, it&#039;s difficult to understand what the event actually is. Basically, they&#039;re ending their main titles and starting new titles with the same characters. So it&#039;s just another way of reseting their issue numbers without doing much else. &lt;i&gt;Amazing Spider-Man&lt;/i&gt; is being replaced by &lt;i&gt;Superior Spider-Man&lt;/i&gt;. Bleh.


And yes, they&#039;re pulling a few stunts in an attempt to shake things up, like the Spider-Man death, and a few redesigned costumes. But it seems pretty meaningless to me, and as a response to the New 52, it&#039;s kind of pathetic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2445">Kevin Gentilcore</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good analogy (carnival barking, I mean)!</p>
<p>Yes, the Marvel NOW initiative strikes me as a direct response to the New 52, but because Marvel doesn&#8217;t do big continuity resets the way that DC does, it&#8217;s difficult to understand what the event actually is. Basically, they&#8217;re ending their main titles and starting new titles with the same characters. So it&#8217;s just another way of reseting their issue numbers without doing much else. <i>Amazing Spider-Man</i> is being replaced by <i>Superior Spider-Man</i>. Bleh.</p>
<p>And yes, they&#8217;re pulling a few stunts in an attempt to shake things up, like the Spider-Man death, and a few redesigned costumes. But it seems pretty meaningless to me, and as a response to the New 52, it&#8217;s kind of pathetic.</p>
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		By: Kevin Gentilcore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Gentilcore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2444&quot;&gt;Shawn Gustafson&lt;/a&gt;.

To be honest I am not to familiar with the NOW stuff.  Seemed to me it was Marvel reacting to the DC New 52.  I understand your continuing to read Marvel because I fell for the DC New 52 and am reading a couple of those titles.  I am sure it is only  a matter of time before the New 52 fall back into gimmicks and crossovers and major deaths.  It is even spilling over into indie books I love, the supposed BIG ULTIMATE DEATH THAT WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING.  Kirkman has been doing it with Walking Dead and now Invincible.  Both 100 issue&#039;s promised a big shocking death.  To me that isn&#039;t storytelling that is carnival barking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2444">Shawn Gustafson</a>.</p>
<p>To be honest I am not to familiar with the NOW stuff.  Seemed to me it was Marvel reacting to the DC New 52.  I understand your continuing to read Marvel because I fell for the DC New 52 and am reading a couple of those titles.  I am sure it is only  a matter of time before the New 52 fall back into gimmicks and crossovers and major deaths.  It is even spilling over into indie books I love, the supposed BIG ULTIMATE DEATH THAT WILL CHANGE EVERYTHING.  Kirkman has been doing it with Walking Dead and now Invincible.  Both 100 issue&#8217;s promised a big shocking death.  To me that isn&#8217;t storytelling that is carnival barking.</p>
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		By: Shawn Gustafson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2443&quot;&gt;Kevin Gentilcore&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey, everyone, it&#039;s Kevin Gentilcore, creator of &lt;a href=&quot;http://teenagelovezombies.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Teenage Love Zombies&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;!

Thanks for bringing up the death threats! I had meant to address that in my post, but I forgot. As much as I hate what Slott has done with my favorite character, he absolutely did not deserve death threats, or any kind of threats for that matter. People need to keep things in perspective, and I find the degree of entitlement of these readers to be a far worse than anything Slott did.



And you&#039;re right about Marvel in general. I&#039;ve been tempted to stop reading for a good while, but I&#039;m a sucker. I&#039;m always waiting for the next creative team to take over and make things better. And to be fair, some decent comics do still rise above the middling quality stuff that they&#039;re mass-producing. But this &quot;death&quot; of Peter Parker, apart from being awful in its own right, is part of the whole &quot;Marvel NOW!&quot; thing, which is the most meaningless publicity stunt since the last one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thespecialistscomic.com/the-george-lucasing-of-spider-man/#comment-2443">Kevin Gentilcore</a>.</p>
<p>Hey, everyone, it&#8217;s Kevin Gentilcore, creator of <a href="http://teenagelovezombies.com/" ><em>Teenage Love Zombies</em></a>!</p>
<p>Thanks for bringing up the death threats! I had meant to address that in my post, but I forgot. As much as I hate what Slott has done with my favorite character, he absolutely did not deserve death threats, or any kind of threats for that matter. People need to keep things in perspective, and I find the degree of entitlement of these readers to be a far worse than anything Slott did.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right about Marvel in general. I&#8217;ve been tempted to stop reading for a good while, but I&#8217;m a sucker. I&#8217;m always waiting for the next creative team to take over and make things better. And to be fair, some decent comics do still rise above the middling quality stuff that they&#8217;re mass-producing. But this &#8220;death&#8221; of Peter Parker, apart from being awful in its own right, is part of the whole &#8220;Marvel NOW!&#8221; thing, which is the most meaningless publicity stunt since the last one.</p>
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		By: Kevin Gentilcore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Gentilcore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This, among many other reasons, is why I have stopped reading mainstream superhero comics...for the most part.  Marvel has been off my buy list for quite some time now.  The thing is, I love superhero comics and the genre, I just can&#039;t stand the way the big 2 treat their franchises and thus, their fans. These events are nothing more than money grabs or publicity stunts and we all know by now they are because they never stick.  With that being said, I don&#039;t think Dan Slott deserved death threats over the issue.  Personally I am all for shaking up the established characters, trying something new, but you have to go forward with reverence for the past.  This just seems stupid to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This, among many other reasons, is why I have stopped reading mainstream superhero comics&#8230;for the most part.  Marvel has been off my buy list for quite some time now.  The thing is, I love superhero comics and the genre, I just can&#8217;t stand the way the big 2 treat their franchises and thus, their fans. These events are nothing more than money grabs or publicity stunts and we all know by now they are because they never stick.  With that being said, I don&#8217;t think Dan Slott deserved death threats over the issue.  Personally I am all for shaking up the established characters, trying something new, but you have to go forward with reverence for the past.  This just seems stupid to me.</p>
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